It may be cold during the chilly Sundance Film Festival, but elegant Tilda
Swinton remains in a perennially chirpy mood. No stranger to this mother of
all Indie festivals in the thick of Utah's Park City, Swinton was here to
promote Thumbsucker, one of two films in which she appears with Keanu
Reeves, the other being Constantine. "Yes, we were talking about having it
written into our contracts that we will always work together," she says,
laughingly.
Though not participating in the print press junket for
Constantine, Swinton, who at the time of our interview hadn't seen the film,
says she has reason to be optimistic about this latest comic book adaptation
which is already generating early buzz, having no qualms about setting foot
into the world of mainstream Hollywood, but has a blasé attitude when it
comes to worrying whether her films will be widely seen. After all, Swinton
is not afraid of doing a Teknolust on the one hand, or a Constantine on the
other. "I'm very lazy about people seeing my work. I'm an arrogant believer
in the power of films to find itself an audience, and a bad studio film will
actually get stumps in a video shop, and is going to reach less people I
haven't done many studio films to be honest with you, but a Derek Jarman
film that runs for 20 or 30 years is going to reach more people so the
reaching people is something that I feel very apathetic about."
But Swinton
said she "enjoyed the adventures of both my latest Hollywood films,"
referring to Constantine and the upcoming Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
she completed for Disney. "In both instances, what was exactly the same was
that I went into these adventures because of the film makers. Francis
Lawrence [Constantine] blew me away when I met him and he was an
extraordinary individual. It was fantastic working with him, and both
Francis Lawrence and Andrew Adamson, are incredibly experienced. Both of
them are first-time film makers actually, because when you think about it
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is Andrew's first live action, so
again, there I was, business as usual, working with a first-time film maker,
going on this adventure and with that sort of beginner's mind, and that's
what I love. I love working with film makers who have that absolute sort of
mad, kamikaze aspect to them," she enthuses.
In both films, Swinton plays extreme fantasy characters, the Arch Angel
Gabriel in Constantine and the White Witch in Wardrobe. The actress insists
that she sees no difference in playing those kinds of characters and more
realistic women she has portrayed in the likes of The Deep End or
Thumbsucker. "It's all about imagination because they don't really exist.
Audrey in Thumbsucker doesn't exist and the woman in The Deep End don't
exist, because they're all constructs and so what you're doing when you're
playing a character is just making a sort of shadow play for the camera
about the person because you can't actually follow a person all the time.
All you're going to show is a series of details which is going to mean that
the audience can project onto the screen their idea of who that woman is.
So when you're acting, you're not actually doing anything real at all, so
it's the same whether you're playing the Angel Gabriel or the White Witch."
Swinton was nit keen to give to much away about her Angel Gabriel. "There
really is so little that I can say about the Angel Gabriel because the Angel
Gabriel's been kept in this kind of surprise pocket in the film," hence her
decision not to do a lot of press for the film. But working not once, but
twice, with Keanu on two such different projects, was a revelation, she
says. "I don't know that anything exactly surprised me about Keanu when I
first met him. I think he just endorsed what I thought he would be which is
that he's like an Angel actually, so open and so up for company, which is
what I always thought he would be, and that's exactly what he is."
Swinton is equally excited about her participation in Disney's The Lion, the
Witch and the Wardrobe. The actress spent 5 months in New Zealand shooting
the film "and had a fantastic time." Swinton says she is genuinely convinced
that fans of the classic books won't be disappointed in this big-budget
screen adaptation. "I'm really convinced that it will be exactly what it
should be, which is a classical, very cinematic adaptation of that book.
It's got a really 3D Technicolor, Wizard of Oz feel about it and one of the
things that I think is very radical about what Andrew's done, is he is not
interested in special effects anymore so everything's real, so you have real
creatures. In other words, you don't have, as in Lord of the Rings, 500
extras that are doubled up to make 7,000. but actually have all of those
people in all of those suits, being all of those mythical creatures."
Swinton says "it was really good fun, and I really, really love New
Zealand."
All of this is a far cry from her home in Scotland, where she would like to
spend some more time working, the last time having worked on Young Adam. "Of
course I would like to work more there and constantly am working with a
variety of Scottish film makers to make those happen but it's a slow
process." Dividing her time between making British films and those of
various budgets across the Atlantic, Swinton is both star and executive
producer of Thumbsucker, a critical success at Sundance which was just picked up for US distribution by Sony Pictures Classics later this year.
A film about an
adolescent thumbsucker, petrified of independence, Swinton plays his mother
who has her own thumbsucking issues. Swinton was ferociously drawn to the
film, she says, because "I saw something really special in director Mike
Mills, who, for those who don't know, is a very well-regarded graphic
artist, who has made documentary films and has made some of the most
beautiful music videos. So I was aware of his work anyway and was always
interested in his aesthetics but when I met him and he talked about what he
wanted to do in the film, the kind of atmosphere he wanted to create, I
totally fell in love with it. It was very difficult to get the film made and
we found it very hard to get people to give money for it."
But the film did
get made and attracted quite the cast. Swinton sees this as being more than
your typical coming-of-age story. "I think a lot of coming of age stories
focus on the impossibility of communicating with parents, the idea that the
parents know exactly what they're doing, and that the only person who has
any growing to do is the child. However, in my experience of life, that is
just not the case, and I think that's the most beautiful thing that this
film does. I mean, who is the thumb-sucker here? Who is the one who needs
to separate? Who needs to grow, who needs to bawl like a baby on someone's
shoulder? I think that it's a coming of age story in as much as a coming of
age for the parents as it is for a coming of age for the boy. It's just
that the crucible of the plot if you like, is around him separating and
going away to college."
Next up for Swinton, is "a film with a Hungarian master Béla Tarr, called
The Man from London which is based on a Georges Simenon novel. It's a sort
of European co-production - French, German, I think there's some British
money in it. It's about a man who witnesses a murder and it's deeply
existential. Béla Tarr is quite extraordinary, a sort of Tarkovsky of his
day and I hope he'll forgive me for describing him as that but he's one of
the great masters working today. We're shooting in March and I'm going to
be developing a variety of things this year."
The 43-year old Ms Swinton is on a roll, it seems, one that takes her literally to hell and back. It's quite the ride.







